okay I will bite: what's in those? I think I've seen a Little Italy recipe before, but I'm not sure. And I'm way out of my league on the other two. Yeah, straight/on the rocks it's too too much.

I thought that the cynar with just sweet vermouth in a rye manhattan was disharmonious and I felt like the fault lay in the vermouth, not the whisky. I'm willing to admit it may have been the rye--all I had was Old Overholt and Wild Turkey rye. I actually really like the Wild Turkey, but that's so fiery maybe that was clashing with the cynar. Old Overholt just gets lost amid the sweet vermouth and any sizable amount of Cynar. I'll know more once I get a bottle of Sazerac or something.